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before his departure, the president called all four congressional leaders, reid, mcconnell, boehner and pelosi. now fiery words after reid hit boehner with volley after volley from the senate floor earlier today. >> if we go over the cliff and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives as we speak with four days after today aren't here with the speaker having told them they'll have 48-hours notice. i can't imagine their conscie e consciences. >> speaker boehner's office responding with a terse statement saying in part, quote, senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house already passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff. senate democrats have not. joining me now from d.c. nbc news white house correspondent peter alexander. peter, there was word the last hour that the president may have sent some sort of deal. the white house then turning around saying that's not true at all. where was the confusion? >> reporter: well, you hear the frosty statements back and forth as you just indicated there, craig. ah, the holidays in washington
before his departure, the president called all four congressional leaders, reid, mcconnell, boehner and pelosi. now fiery words after reid hit boehner with volley after volley from the senate floor earlier today. >> if we go over the cliff and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives as we speak with four days after today aren't here with the speaker having told them they'll have 48-hours notice. i can't imagine their conscie e consciences....
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into the speakership. >> they wouldn't have to vote for pelosi. they could vote for newt gingrich -- >> but pelosi would get the most votes. >> you need to get 218. they would need to find a nominee who had 218. i don't think boehner would ever lose, but i think it would be a big symbol, a very big kind of vote of dissatisfaction among his republicans. >> chris, you know what we don't need right now is another symbol. how about complete chaos. thank you. wait until you see the headlines the next couple days, but the grown-ups who write front pages are going to go these guys are nuts. thank you, chris, up on the hill and, josh, for enlightening us for the purposes of the viewer. >>> coming up, the man in the middle of the republican circus, john boehner. let's figure out this guy. what is his story? he's the leader of the party that doesn't want to be led by him or anybody. they don't even -- well, it's not even actually a political party. it's a faction of tea party people telling the most republicans that they're not playing ball with them. >>> a
into the speakership. >> they wouldn't have to vote for pelosi. they could vote for newt gingrich -- >> but pelosi would get the most votes. >> you need to get 218. they would need to find a nominee who had 218. i don't think boehner would ever lose, but i think it would be a big symbol, a very big kind of vote of dissatisfaction among his republicans. >> chris, you know what we don't need right now is another symbol. how about complete chaos. thank you. wait until you...
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whether or not you like what nancy pelosi stands for, as a speaker of the house, nancy pelosi was good at her job. john boehner is not good at his job. we've ventured this as a hypothesis very early on in his speakership, i mean right from the beginning. it seemed like there might be something amiss, right? on the first day as speaker, he tried to have republicans pull off the stunt where they would read the whole constitution from the floor of the house. but even on day one, john boehner could not manage his own symbolic gesture. they skipped parts of the constitution. they skipped parts they did not like. and some parts they skipped because they were reading it out of a loose leaf binder and the pages stuck together. right then we should have known that was a bad sign. john boehner did not even succeed in getting all of his members sworn in when he took over as speaker. two new republican members of congress went to a reception and missed the swearing in. they apparently saw it happening on a tv screen that was playing at the reception, and they sort of tried to swear themselves in b
whether or not you like what nancy pelosi stands for, as a speaker of the house, nancy pelosi was good at her job. john boehner is not good at his job. we've ventured this as a hypothesis very early on in his speakership, i mean right from the beginning. it seemed like there might be something amiss, right? on the first day as speaker, he tried to have republicans pull off the stunt where they would read the whole constitution from the floor of the house. but even on day one, john boehner could...
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we tried your way and it did not work, look, nancy pelosi, how do we get something through the house? >> talk about the reid/mcconnell special relationship. they were the two that cobbled together deals. 2011 is a great example. will they have a three-peat here? >> again i'm not bullish on this. i think robert might be a little more than i am. i think it would require a lot of courage on mcconned to put something through that democrats like and to impress upon john boehner to get this to the floor of the house i think could put -- on the bright side it could put him in a heroic position. >> very quickly. >> mcconnell is in a tricky position. >> he is looking a the 2014. thank you both so much. >> thank you. >>> >>> today's tweet of the day is about the milk cliff. glen johnson tweets amid talk of milk going up to $7 a dplon, with no deal, we'll all just start drinking gas then. [ male announcer ] with over 50 delicious choices of green giant vegetables it's easy to eat like a giant... ♪ and feel like a green giant. ♪ ho ho ho ♪ green giant >>> the uncertainty caps off a huge yea
we tried your way and it did not work, look, nancy pelosi, how do we get something through the house? >> talk about the reid/mcconnell special relationship. they were the two that cobbled together deals. 2011 is a great example. will they have a three-peat here? >> again i'm not bullish on this. i think robert might be a little more than i am. i think it would require a lot of courage on mcconned to put something through that democrats like and to impress upon john boehner to get...
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if we can figure this out, you know that john boehner and nancy pelosi and the wimps in the chambers are trying to figure it out. the right combination of the income threshold for tax increases with entitlement cuts, we haven't found it. the theory that republicans only want to pass something with the majority, that worked for haster when he was speaker. it's hard to see what kind of tax increase will get a majority of republicans and bring along enough democrats. boehner couldn't pass a million dollar tax increase. why do we think he can get something out of the house if they lower it to 400,000 or 500,000. we are skeptical that they can come together with the solution in the next five or six days. >> marty, we spent a lot of time talking about the house. what is mitch mcconnell thinking in the senate? >> he is a fascinating part of this. first of all, he is probably going to vote against any deal that raises taxes. whether he actively whips against it or lets it go, there is a number of senate republicans who seem open to upper income tax increases. some of the new england moderate
if we can figure this out, you know that john boehner and nancy pelosi and the wimps in the chambers are trying to figure it out. the right combination of the income threshold for tax increases with entitlement cuts, we haven't found it. the theory that republicans only want to pass something with the majority, that worked for haster when he was speaker. it's hard to see what kind of tax increase will get a majority of republicans and bring along enough democrats. boehner couldn't pass a...
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you can't do it because you have all the democrats and nancy pelosi can whip her caucus, she maas lie one or two, and then you need about 30 republicans, but boehner -- >> arguing the senate bill is more partisbipartisan. >> it means only 2% of people would pay the 39% tax rate on everything above 250, right? but you reason he won't even try to pass that bill, is because he doesn't want the optics with the bill being passed with mostly democrats. bainers wants it a majority of the majorities, that that will be mostly republicans passing it. that's impossible, because republicans, you can't even get 10 or 20 of them to agree on anything they think is a tax hike. so you have a stalemate of boehner's over design. >>> ryan, to you, please responds to what joann said. a year ago, did you think -- yeah, we knew this was going to happen, did you think it would be this situation just days before the new years? if so are we going to have another fiscal cliff or a bunch that come to fruition here where we never see really a solution? >> well, it was very clear from the time that the super commi
you can't do it because you have all the democrats and nancy pelosi can whip her caucus, she maas lie one or two, and then you need about 30 republicans, but boehner -- >> arguing the senate bill is more partisbipartisan. >> it means only 2% of people would pay the 39% tax rate on everything above 250, right? but you reason he won't even try to pass that bill, is because he doesn't want the optics with the bill being passed with mostly democrats. bainers wants it a majority of the...
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reid, mcconnell, boehner and pelosi. . joining me to talk more, we have peter alexander standing by at the white house as well as nbc's mike viqueira on capitol hill. some verbal smackdown, basically flipping the lights back on and harry reid taking to the floor to eviscerate speaker boehner. >> the sad part is you often seen the floor opened that way. mitch mcconnell being later today. i'm sure we'll hear something later. to hear it two days after christmas and a matter of days before we go through the fiscal cliff, obviously not encouraging. harry reid says time is running hout. he doesn't know if they could go through the legislative hurdles. if they have the votes around here, they can legislate the sky is green and the grass is blue. that's not an issue. what harry reid is really saying is mitch mcconnell, get on board, don't try to filibuster. of course they're talking about a bill that had raise capital on couples making more than $250,000 a year, and do a few other nuts and bolts that are deemed the bare minimum th
reid, mcconnell, boehner and pelosi. . joining me to talk more, we have peter alexander standing by at the white house as well as nbc's mike viqueira on capitol hill. some verbal smackdown, basically flipping the lights back on and harry reid taking to the floor to eviscerate speaker boehner. >> the sad part is you often seen the floor opened that way. mitch mcconnell being later today. i'm sure we'll hear something later. to hear it two days after christmas and a matter of days before we...
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by the way, i would give some advice to speaker boehner, he needs to talk to nancy pelosi. when nancy pelosi was speaker, she found a way even with maximum republican opposition to bring her diverse caucus. that is a caucus with diverse views together to get things done like the affordable care act. like dodd frank. she got it done. >> that's great advice, and we hope he listens. >> i hope so. >> thank you so much, my friend. >> my pleasure. >>> let's turn to ryan grim. mr. grim, the jobless are really the only segment of the population who get an immediate hit if we go over the fiscal cliff. doesn't this strike even what appears to be heartless politicians that the people most vulnerable are working class and working poor and middle class people who will get stiffed by this? >> yeah, the jobless have been getting pushed around by congress for years now, you know, ever since the economic crisis. and they implemented some extended emergency benefits they've been getting told that if they give them unemployment it will make them lazy and they will not look for jobs. states ha
by the way, i would give some advice to speaker boehner, he needs to talk to nancy pelosi. when nancy pelosi was speaker, she found a way even with maximum republican opposition to bring her diverse caucus. that is a caucus with diverse views together to get things done like the affordable care act. like dodd frank. she got it done. >> that's great advice, and we hope he listens. >> i hope so. >> thank you so much, my friend. >> my pleasure. >>> let's turn to...
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earlier that year, harry reid and nancy pelosi gave george bush a stimulus. what happened was two things, al. first of all, barack obama got reelected. and for a variety of reasons, the republicans never game barack obama the kind of cooperation we gave george bush. of course you should disagree. but then in the end, you try to work things out. when george bush came to harry reid, we worked with him to go and to come to an agreement. mitch mcconnell, the republican leader, said my number one agenda item is to defeat barack obama. and then in 2010, people were elected who don't believe in govern nans. who don't understand reality. it's not like we've had it forever. we didn't have it before the partisanship and there was some people so offended by the notion that barack obama could win for a variety of reasons, that they decided to delegitize it. i think you're going to see a gradual relinquishment of this kind of obstructionist death grip they have on the party. >> plet me ask you, you're leaving washington after serving so long and so well. what will you mis
earlier that year, harry reid and nancy pelosi gave george bush a stimulus. what happened was two things, al. first of all, barack obama got reelected. and for a variety of reasons, the republicans never game barack obama the kind of cooperation we gave george bush. of course you should disagree. but then in the end, you try to work things out. when george bush came to harry reid, we worked with him to go and to come to an agreement. mitch mcconnell, the republican leader, said my number one...
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. >> he's not negotiating with nancy pelosi. he's negotiating with the president of the united states trying to work this deal out and certainly it's become a discussion with nancy pelosi and it's not, it's a discussion with the president of the united states in term of trying to work this through and where does he have to turn? he has to turn back to the principles in this negotiation and that's what he's done. >> but i believe he could have passed his plan b if he hadn't gone with the $20 million cutoff and he'd moved toward the center and that had been under discussion with a $400,000 cut off or a $500,000 cut off for the tax cuts to go into effect and the tax increases above that figure to go into effect and he didn't try to go into the center and he locked himself into an impossible situation where he couldn't get 218 votes in his own caucus and that was a failure of leadership. >> martin frost, david winston, ten seconds. you have ten seconds to respond. >> i'm sorry, but you're asking him to take the democratic position w
. >> he's not negotiating with nancy pelosi. he's negotiating with the president of the united states trying to work this deal out and certainly it's become a discussion with nancy pelosi and it's not, it's a discussion with the president of the united states in term of trying to work this through and where does he have to turn? he has to turn back to the principles in this negotiation and that's what he's done. >> but i believe he could have passed his plan b if he hadn't gone with...
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joining the president and vice president, boehner, pelosi, reid and mcconnell. their goal, agree on something before the country falls off the so-called fiscal cliff in four days. kelly o'donnell joining me live now and i understand we have information on the smaller offer that you reported that the president is making this information. >> reporter: good afternoon, craig. so they're going to meet, they need something to talk about the president is prepared to put on the table what aides describe as a smaller offer. you know, they had hoped to go for something much grander but with the 11th hour deadline, they want to do something to follow the lines of what the president said in the briefing room before going to hawaii for the holidays. basically resetting the discussion for income rates at the threshold he originally wanted, $250,000 for couples. why that's important is because in previous conversations with speaker boehner, the president had moved off that number to something more friendly to the republican party, putting the number at about $400,000 and peopl
joining the president and vice president, boehner, pelosi, reid and mcconnell. their goal, agree on something before the country falls off the so-called fiscal cliff in four days. kelly o'donnell joining me live now and i understand we have information on the smaller offer that you reported that the president is making this information. >> reporter: good afternoon, craig. so they're going to meet, they need something to talk about the president is prepared to put on the table what aides...
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congress is the least productive congress since we started keeping track of this in 1947 and when nancy pelosi was speaker of the house, the 110th congress had roll call votes, over 1,000 roll call votes, and with speaker boehner, only 444 roll call votes leading to 219 pieces of legislation. should the american people feel as though you all are simply not doing your jobs? >> the answer to that question is yes, i think that the american people have a right to be skeptical of the work being done in washington. part of that is the political dynamic. i don't know if i would just count the number of votes. we are not commemorating sports teams and honoring, you know, naming the weeks and the days after which ef vegetable we choose for this week, and national tomato month. but that is something that we don't do in this congress so that the number of votes is going to be a lot less, but the productivity is going to be based on doing what is right for the american people, and doing big things and doing things that are going to help the country. i think that the american people are right to look at th
congress is the least productive congress since we started keeping track of this in 1947 and when nancy pelosi was speaker of the house, the 110th congress had roll call votes, over 1,000 roll call votes, and with speaker boehner, only 444 roll call votes leading to 219 pieces of legislation. should the american people feel as though you all are simply not doing your jobs? >> the answer to that question is yes, i think that the american people have a right to be skeptical of the work...
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he believes that reid and mcconnell can come up with some type of proposal, and working with pelosi in the house, to see what's realistic to get through the house. if there is a vote in the senate. if it makes its way through the senate, the calculation, house republicans would feel a fair amount of pressure to vote this into law. why? because of the dead line? it would have gotten support in the senate. in an effort, it's boxing republicans in. will it work? we'll have to see. part of the calculation, if there is a piece of legislation will make it through the senate, the house will be responsible for voting this down at a critical time and ramp up the pressure to get something done. we'll have to see if that calculation works or even if reid and mcconnell can come up with a plan they think can make it through the senate. a lot of question marks still. >> still. three days away, and we didn't know sth was co know it was coming is what it's like. thank you, kristen. >> let's turn to jon harwood. sir, no more big deal. is this a little deal? we'll have to do something else in a month or
he believes that reid and mcconnell can come up with some type of proposal, and working with pelosi in the house, to see what's realistic to get through the house. if there is a vote in the senate. if it makes its way through the senate, the calculation, house republicans would feel a fair amount of pressure to vote this into law. why? because of the dead line? it would have gotten support in the senate. in an effort, it's boxing republicans in. will it work? we'll have to see. part of the...
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we have nancy pelosi, looks like her chief of staff with her. seems that may be a sign that the meeting has broken up. we also heard some reports that perhaps speaker boehner may have left the meeting. i want to do a quick question to both of you as we're sort of watching these folks depart. on the fiscal cliff, i'm going to just make it real simple and start with you dana and go to you, jonathan. deal or no deal? are we going to get a deal, dana? >> well, they're going to have to eventually. the question is -- >> maybe not. not with these guys. you never know. >> any prediction is perilous here. but it's always struck me, if it is going to be, it's going to be at the very last second or after we go over the cliff. >> jonathan, are we going to come out on the drive way and sing kumbaya? >> i doubt it given the video you just showed. that's not minority leader pelosi heading to the microphones in the driveway. it looks like she's on west executive drive trying to get the hell out of dodge. >> looking for her car. that's right. >> which could be a
we have nancy pelosi, looks like her chief of staff with her. seems that may be a sign that the meeting has broken up. we also heard some reports that perhaps speaker boehner may have left the meeting. i want to do a quick question to both of you as we're sort of watching these folks depart. on the fiscal cliff, i'm going to just make it real simple and start with you dana and go to you, jonathan. deal or no deal? are we going to get a deal, dana? >> well, they're going to have to...
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are seeing a very conservative conference that may not coming to to vote on something, even if nancy pelosi can corral the democrats, they need to pick off republicans. we don't know if any of them would vote for something like this. john boehner is ready to strike a deal. i'm not sure many others are. in the senate we have seen a number of conservative republicans saying they would vote. >> 20 republican votes? >> at this point it's very hard to say. i think john boehner would probably be trying to go in that direction if he could. we haven't seen enough house republicans come out yet and say they would support tax increases. if you have tom coal who broke with his party leadership and the party ranks about three weeks ago or so. we haven't seen enough say they would. i don't know that that's the right deal for that to try to strike. >> one of the strategies that republicans could very well allow us to go off the fiscal cliff. a few weeks into january they decide to take the vote on lowering taxes. lowering the race so they can say you know what, we voted to lower taxes. >> that's somethin
are seeing a very conservative conference that may not coming to to vote on something, even if nancy pelosi can corral the democrats, they need to pick off republicans. we don't know if any of them would vote for something like this. john boehner is ready to strike a deal. i'm not sure many others are. in the senate we have seen a number of conservative republicans saying they would vote. >> 20 republican votes? >> at this point it's very hard to say. i think john boehner would...
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that's why speaker boehner needs to come across the aisle to leader pelosi and the democrats and say okay, i -- i might have 50 people who disagree with me. but i have 200 people who agree with me. let's come up with a compromise. let's try to get 50 or 100 or 150 democrats. that's what -- that's what our constituents think they are electing us to do, go work in a bipartisan basis. but because of the rules of the house, speaker boehner just keeps saying i'm ignoring the democrats. i'm going to try to put together a plan that will appeal just to republicans. and that's where he's -- that's where he is running into this brick wall. >> all right. thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >>> here's one take on the fiscal cliff. john boehner's animal house. we are bogey to talk to "the washington post" writer who says in boehner's house the animals are rampaging. what's that mean? we will have an answer for you in the next half hour. >>> nasty weather is lingering just before christmas. aaa predicts 93 million of us will be traveling long distances over the holidays. that includes t
that's why speaker boehner needs to come across the aisle to leader pelosi and the democrats and say okay, i -- i might have 50 people who disagree with me. but i have 200 people who agree with me. let's come up with a compromise. let's try to get 50 or 100 or 150 democrats. that's what -- that's what our constituents think they are electing us to do, go work in a bipartisan basis. but because of the rules of the house, speaker boehner just keeps saying i'm ignoring the democrats. i'm going to...
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the minority puts up their chosen leader, this time nancy pelosi. it's usually pro forma, but this time it has a real weight to it, because one of the reasons we're in this situation right now is because we're waiting for john boehner to be reelected to speaker of the house before they make a move, because only if 16 or 17 republicans don't vote for the guy, he could lose. they just want to wait. >> that's, i think, a point we've all been missing here is that after plan b's gone down, there seems to be some thinking, especially in boehner land, that we don't want our fingerprints on anything that could lead to some sort of conservative ensue su sure. >> it would be very embarra embarrassing. republicans voting for someone else or abstaining, they would have to probably shut the whole house down, have a whole meeting, drum up the votes. it would be very embarrassing and i think you're also seeing it on the senate side, mitch mcconnell is thinking, senate minority leader, if john boehner doesn't want his fingerprints on something, why do i want my fin
the minority puts up their chosen leader, this time nancy pelosi. it's usually pro forma, but this time it has a real weight to it, because one of the reasons we're in this situation right now is because we're waiting for john boehner to be reelected to speaker of the house before they make a move, because only if 16 or 17 republicans don't vote for the guy, he could lose. they just want to wait. >> that's, i think, a point we've all been missing here is that after plan b's gone down,...
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. >> nancy pelosi tried to do that and the signature is not there. chuck hegel was a colleague of yours. are you surprised about the criticism he received from the left and the right being the possible nominee for president obama in the obama administration in the second term? >> hegel used on foreign policy, but he hasn't received a lot of criticism. how much of that is justified? i can't tell you. >> senator from vermont, we thank you for joining us the day after christmas. >> joining us to talk big picture and the president's second term cabinet, nbc editor mark murray was the december employee of the month. congratulations. >> excuse me. you heard from senator sanders saying the lack of urgency hasn't been a problem, but if you look at it for all intents and purposes, boehner removed himself from these discussions. harry reid, president obama, and a little bit of mitch mcconnell. what is possible of making a deal? >> the ball seems to be in mitch mcconnell's court. does he filibuster anything that harry reid ends up making with president obama? w
. >> nancy pelosi tried to do that and the signature is not there. chuck hegel was a colleague of yours. are you surprised about the criticism he received from the left and the right being the possible nominee for president obama in the obama administration in the second term? >> hegel used on foreign policy, but he hasn't received a lot of criticism. how much of that is justified? i can't tell you. >> senator from vermont, we thank you for joining us the day after christmas....
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members like tim huelskamp and one skill that a sometimes a speaker has and we saw this with nancy pelosi and we saw this in 2009 and 2010 is actually fear. they don't fear congressman boehner. they don't fear him at all if they go break their own way and that is one of the reasons why you end up having people who seem to be revolting like congressman huelskamp. >> one other thing that a speaker does not have or even a minority leader anymore is earmarks which were these targeted spending gifts in effect to a house number that could be persuasive. >> right. the carrots and the sticks. >> yes. >> thank you very much. lynn and mark. we'll talk to you later this hour. stick around. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up, it's election day in egypt and we'll get a live report from cairo and how the constitution has polarized that nation. plus ben affleck on capitol hill for good and what the actor is saying for now and not saying about a possible run for senate. ♪ ♪ ♪ copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clin
members like tim huelskamp and one skill that a sometimes a speaker has and we saw this with nancy pelosi and we saw this in 2009 and 2010 is actually fear. they don't fear congressman boehner. they don't fear him at all if they go break their own way and that is one of the reasons why you end up having people who seem to be revolting like congressman huelskamp. >> one other thing that a speaker does not have or even a minority leader anymore is earmarks which were these targeted spending...
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that press conference, it came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reid and mitch mcconnell, so all the key congressional leaders. and listen to the president here. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait until the last minute. well, we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. not right now. i just have to repeat. you know, outside of washington, nobody understands how it is that this seems to be a repeat pattern, over and over again. ordinary folks, they do their jobs. they meet deadlines. they sit down and they discuss things and things happen. if there are disagreements, they sort through the disagreements. the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. and needs to stop. >> i
that press conference, it came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reid and mitch mcconnell, so all the key congressional leaders. and listen to the president here. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait until the last...
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president obama, vice president biden, mcconnell, pelosi and reid and boehner are meeting to discuss the fiscal cliff. we are hearing the president's planning to present a smaller offer. for the latest, we bring in peter alexander from the white house and mike viqueira from capitol hill. peter, let's talk about what's going on at the white house meeting. i hear senators are optimistic about a mini deal which, of course, will raise taxes on those above $400,000. expand the amt, cut some spending. what are you hearing? >> reporter: well, hearing a lot of different things right now. one of the items and ruled by rumor and then denials and frustrations, toure. we know that we saw senators mcconnell and reid arriving a short time ago. we didn't pelosi and boehner arrive yet but the vice president joe biden got here a short time ago, as well. there's other reporting from the hill right now about the potential that the president is going to return to what was basically his original outlined plan. perhaps a smaller plan but a plan where the threshold would be set closer to $250,000 as he ini
president obama, vice president biden, mcconnell, pelosi and reid and boehner are meeting to discuss the fiscal cliff. we are hearing the president's planning to present a smaller offer. for the latest, we bring in peter alexander from the white house and mike viqueira from capitol hill. peter, let's talk about what's going on at the white house meeting. i hear senators are optimistic about a mini deal which, of course, will raise taxes on those above $400,000. expand the amt, cut some...
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and nancy pelosi at number 10. nancy pelosi's had a rough run of it for the past couple of years, but she was america's first female speaker of the house, and i don't think the last chapter has been written on her yet. >> and you have roger ailes on the list. >> he has changed the media in a big way. >> all right. so who won? who had most of the people on the list? >> i don't know. >> i think it was me, actually. >> oh, my god. >> what a self-serving question. >> given the way we live, ben bernanke and hank paulson and the whole financial crisis, what they did during it, that's interesting, their absence from the polled list. >> yeah. no doubt about it. and how interesting that mika put obama as number 1. you were the only person that put the president as number 1. did you think this was like a fan club vote, or what? >> no, i thought it would be the conventional wisdom, first of all. but, secondly, i do think that what we witnessed when he won the presidency was something we never thought we would, and that carrie
and nancy pelosi at number 10. nancy pelosi's had a rough run of it for the past couple of years, but she was america's first female speaker of the house, and i don't think the last chapter has been written on her yet. >> and you have roger ailes on the list. >> he has changed the media in a big way. >> all right. so who won? who had most of the people on the list? >> i don't know. >> i think it was me, actually. >> oh, my god. >> what a self-serving...
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and here's where nancy pelosi comes in. if you've got about 30 republicans, it could actually pass. >> good afternoon, everyone. i've been working with leaders to try to forge an agreement to grow our economy and shrink the deficit. a balanced plan that would cut spending a responsible way, but also ask the wealthiest americans to pay a little more and protect the middle class and everyone striving to get into the middle class. i still want to get this cone. it's the right thing for our families. but the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. we're now at the point where in just four days, every american's tax rates are scheduled to go up by law. every american's paycheck will get considerably smaller. and that would be the wrong thing to do. it would be bad for middle class families and bad for businesses that depend on family spending. forchew nat ew fortunately, con can prevent it from happening. i just had a good discussion about how to prevent this tax hike on the middle class. and i'm optimistic we may still be
and here's where nancy pelosi comes in. if you've got about 30 republicans, it could actually pass. >> good afternoon, everyone. i've been working with leaders to try to forge an agreement to grow our economy and shrink the deficit. a balanced plan that would cut spending a responsible way, but also ask the wealthiest americans to pay a little more and protect the middle class and everyone striving to get into the middle class. i still want to get this cone. it's the right thing for our...
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that's why president obama organized the meeting with vice president biden, speaker boehner, nancy pelosi and senators reid and mcconnell. he urged them to extend jobless benefits. we can deal with cuts to defense and domestic programs later. but let's take care of the middle and working class right now. give them assurance right now. joining me is congressman chief ellison. he's co-chair of the progressive caucus and melissa harris perry, host of the melissa harris perry show here on msnbc. thank you both for coming on the show. >> thank you, al. >> congressman, let me go to you first, this deal comes down to taxing the rich. how can they not realize this is what the country wants? >> i don't think that the republican leadership cares what the country wants. i think they care about what their biggest donors want and their big donors want to reorganize america so that -- because they believe that the rich don't have enough money and the poor have too much. so what we're hearing here is an expression of an et you logical idea that we need american society to be cost competitive with places
that's why president obama organized the meeting with vice president biden, speaker boehner, nancy pelosi and senators reid and mcconnell. he urged them to extend jobless benefits. we can deal with cuts to defense and domestic programs later. but let's take care of the middle and working class right now. give them assurance right now. joining me is congressman chief ellison. he's co-chair of the progressive caucus and melissa harris perry, host of the melissa harris perry show here on msnbc....
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nancy pelosi had this to say. >> do you consider it a benefit cut? >> no. i don't. i consider it a strengthening. that's neither here nor there. there's no sense discussing that. we don't know if we have a plan. >> call it a cut or not, as we await a deal, a looming question is just what aspects of social security are on the table. back to the panel. i want to go to richard first. last week, we had 102 democrats sign a letter demanding changed cpi be left out of the deal making. do they have a right to be concerned? >> absolutely. i'm surprised to hear it's not a cut. it is a cut. it's going to be a cut down the line for thousands of senior citizens living on fixed incomes facing rising cost on health care and food. the idea that when it gets too expensive you buy tuna. when that's too expensive you buy cat food. we are taking from the most vulnerable level of the population. >> the president's proposal to go to cpi included holding harmless poor seniors. then the other thing is that progressives have proposed this, too. the center for american progress in 2010 put
nancy pelosi had this to say. >> do you consider it a benefit cut? >> no. i don't. i consider it a strengthening. that's neither here nor there. there's no sense discussing that. we don't know if we have a plan. >> call it a cut or not, as we await a deal, a looming question is just what aspects of social security are on the table. back to the panel. i want to go to richard first. last week, we had 102 democrats sign a letter demanding changed cpi be left out of the deal...
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wisest words of anyone in the house of representatives handing the gavel to nancy pelosi to be speaker of the house after republicans lost that 2006 election. he said, my party forgot that powers to be used for the good of the people and not for power's sake. that's what they have to remember. now, as far as that fiscal cliff, they can withhold the tax schedule changes. they're able like in defense, when you have a defense cut or a defense cut like that, it takes place over three to four years. it doesn't all happen this figs year. what we want is a bunny slope not a cliff so the damage is not great as long as we are able to take the short-term deal that david spoke about. what everyone is looking for, consumer and business investor is certainty. congress generates the political will with the president to address our problem. both in the grand scheme so we get $4 trillion in debt reduction over a year and second in the short term and don't have a gross domestic product grow at zee ro over the year. >> when you think about this entire issue, there is the gop caucus and the dysfunctional
wisest words of anyone in the house of representatives handing the gavel to nancy pelosi to be speaker of the house after republicans lost that 2006 election. he said, my party forgot that powers to be used for the good of the people and not for power's sake. that's what they have to remember. now, as far as that fiscal cliff, they can withhold the tax schedule changes. they're able like in defense, when you have a defense cut or a defense cut like that, it takes place over three to four years....
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has not been able to deliver his own votes but isn't particularly interested in working with nancy pelosi to get moderate democrats onboard. again, we are talking about very symbolic things. i think john boehner is far more interested in preserving his speakership, waiting until we go over the cliff and everyone can blame each other all the way through. it would be better for everyone if we didn't have discussions about social insurance and/or entitlements at gunpoint with two days to >> that's the views from -- a very -- very strong conservative voice. >> that's giving the president a lot of credit here. the president wants a deal, doesn't want to go into the second term, january with the fiscal cliff looming and dealing with the cpi or, you know, raising the medicare eligibility. doesn't want the discussions to cloud up his other agenda, rest of his agenda, things like immigration. gun control if that does survive into the new year. so -- right now looking at some of the things that have been floated -- that -- that harvard from reported basically that's the president getting stimulus a
has not been able to deliver his own votes but isn't particularly interested in working with nancy pelosi to get moderate democrats onboard. again, we are talking about very symbolic things. i think john boehner is far more interested in preserving his speakership, waiting until we go over the cliff and everyone can blame each other all the way through. it would be better for everyone if we didn't have discussions about social insurance and/or entitlements at gunpoint with two days to >>...
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me a quick moment, that press conference came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reed and mitch mcconnell and all the kree congressional leaders and listen to the president here. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again, america wonders why it is, in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything has to wait for the last minute. we are now at the last minute and the american people are not going to have any pabs for a political -- patience for a politically self-inflicted wound right now. i have to repeat, outside of washington, nobody understands how this is a repeat pattern over and over again. ordinary folks, they do their jobs. they meet deadlines. they sit down and discuss things and then things happen. if they have disagreements they sort through the disagreements. the notion that the elected leadership cannot do the same thing is mind boggling to them and needs to stop. >> i just have to repeat, congress, you are terr
me a quick moment, that press conference came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reed and mitch mcconnell and all the kree congressional leaders and listen to the president here. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again, america wonders why it is, in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything has to wait for the last...
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nancy pelosi bringing war funding bills to the house floor during the bush administration. not because she loved the idea of continuing the wars in afghanistan and iraq but because she saw that was a priority that needed to move whether or not it was going to have a lot of democratic votes. >> amazing. you think of all those things in the senate. the farm bill had enough republican support over there. never brought up in the house. it's a tough thing to do for john boehner. john allen, thank you so much for joining us. looking forward to the book about hillary and concussion-dpat. it will be interesting. next, as a new senator gets swarn in today, the fight from john kerry is reading up. >>> topping the headlines on andrea mitchell reports, former president george h.w. bush has been moved to the intensive care unit of a houston hospital where he's been battling a cough since november. the 88-year-old was moved to the icu recently after a foout few setbacks including a persistent fever. doctors are optimistic. >>> another member of president obama's administration is steppin
nancy pelosi bringing war funding bills to the house floor during the bush administration. not because she loved the idea of continuing the wars in afghanistan and iraq but because she saw that was a priority that needed to move whether or not it was going to have a lot of democratic votes. >> amazing. you think of all those things in the senate. the farm bill had enough republican support over there. never brought up in the house. it's a tough thing to do for john boehner. john allen,...
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reports that the president will be meeting with congressional leaders, boehner, mcconnell, reid, and pelosi tomorrow? >> reporter: that's the most festive image we have seen come from washington, d.c., is the president with his cute dog outside the rose garden, but frankly, karen, the political paralysis still exists here right now. there were reports earlier today that you noted coming from the hill, scott brown among others saying the white house was sending up a new proposal. the white house says that's certainly not the case. there were reports the white house was inviting all four congressional leaders here to the white house for a private meeting tomorrow to try to push this thing through to avert the fiscal cliff. the white house says as of this moment there is no meeting scheduled for tomorrow. we sort of remained where we were when the president first arrived here. in the eyes of the white house it's in the hands of the republicans at the capital, up to mitch mcconnell not to filibuster a bill already there and up to john boehner to allow a vote in the house. >> peter, publicly obv
reports that the president will be meeting with congressional leaders, boehner, mcconnell, reid, and pelosi tomorrow? >> reporter: that's the most festive image we have seen come from washington, d.c., is the president with his cute dog outside the rose garden, but frankly, karen, the political paralysis still exists here right now. there were reports earlier today that you noted coming from the hill, scott brown among others saying the white house was sending up a new proposal. the white...
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i think nancy pelosi actually comes out of this with a little bit more leverage, because it's clear that any deal that gets done is going to need democratic support. and as we know, she has been a far more effective leader than john boehner has. >> sure. moments ago, the president and his family left for hawaii on board air force one. what does this look like to the american people? i know the senate is gone and the house is gone. here goes the president to hawaii. i mean, where is the sense of urgency here? and i blame all lawmakers for this. >> i agree with you, ed. i mean, i think the optics of this is really disturbing. if you are sitting at home, and you're telling yourself, okay, i'm not quite sure what is going to happen with my tax rates and for next year. so how much am i going to spend now on christmas? how much am i getting back? those kinds of questions, that kind of uncertainty, what is going to happen with payroll taxes, what is going to happen with unemployment. and you see everybody kind of just leaving town, great that they're willing to come back next week, but you know
i think nancy pelosi actually comes out of this with a little bit more leverage, because it's clear that any deal that gets done is going to need democratic support. and as we know, she has been a far more effective leader than john boehner has. >> sure. moments ago, the president and his family left for hawaii on board air force one. what does this look like to the american people? i know the senate is gone and the house is gone. here goes the president to hawaii. i mean, where is the...
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afternoon with senate majority leader reid, senate minority leader mcconnell, speaker boehner, and leader pelosi at the white house. senate majority leader harry reid took to the senate floor this morning to, shall we say, let boehner have it. >> if we go over the cliff, and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives as we speak, with four days left after today before the first of the year aren't here with the speaker having told them they'll have -- they'll give them 48 hours' notice. the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allowing the vast majority of the house of representatives to get what they want. >> lo and behold, the markets started to tank, in part on fears of reid's warning that it looked like we were going over the cliff. within an hour word came that the house would return to washington and be in session on sunday at 6:30 p.m. boehner repeated his assertion that the senate would pass the two bills
afternoon with senate majority leader reid, senate minority leader mcconnell, speaker boehner, and leader pelosi at the white house. senate majority leader harry reid took to the senate floor this morning to, shall we say, let boehner have it. >> if we go over the cliff, and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives as we speak, with four days left after today before the first of the year aren't here with the speaker having told them they'll have...
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i remember when speaker pelosi had the bill to fund the iraq war. our democratic caucus wasn't in support of that. nonetheless she put a bill on the floor where we had to fund the iraq floor. she did it because it was in the best interest of the american people. at the end of the day speaker boehner who is the speaker of the whole house has to do what is in the best interest and let the will of the house take its call. he has to move forward on this. you can't put the blame on the president. we need to go back to the speaker. >> republican congressman said this of john boehner's leadership today. >> the reason that boehnjohn bo has trouble isn't a lack of leadership, it is because he lets people participate which wasn't the case in the past. >> do you think this is true and what other options does boehner have to reach a compromise with the president? >> i think he is right. whenever you had whether nancy pelosi with his caucus or speaker boehner you have a lot of cats to herd. on these issues you have cats going different ways. the speaker may say
i remember when speaker pelosi had the bill to fund the iraq war. our democratic caucus wasn't in support of that. nonetheless she put a bill on the floor where we had to fund the iraq floor. she did it because it was in the best interest of the american people. at the end of the day speaker boehner who is the speaker of the whole house has to do what is in the best interest and let the will of the house take its call. he has to move forward on this. you can't put the blame on the president. we...